On MySpace, and the Preservation of Wizard Rock

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It’s no secret that MySpace helped fuel the wizard rock explosion. In fact, I don’t think there are many wizard rock fans that can claim they DIDN’T spend at least a few sleepless nights constantly adding bands as friends and downloading new music when they first discovered wizard rock through MySpace. This is especially true for people who discovered wrock between 2006-2010.

In 2013, however, MySpace has gone the way of the dinosaur. It may be popular in some small areas, but as a social platform it’s been replaced by Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, you name it. And it was truly the social aspect of MySpace that helped spread the word of wizard rock, and led to the formation of so many bands.

Up until mid-2008 or so, users could easily download the songs that bands uploaded to MySpace. Instead of having to sit at a PC with MySpace open and streaming, fans could simply download songs to their heart’s content, and in a few days have a giant wrock playlist that they could take with them wherever they went.  Once MySpace eliminated that feature, fans could still get mp3s by purchasing them through outlets like iTunes, or by purchasing CDs from the bands directly. Some bands still opted to release their music freely by uploading it to file sharing sites, and placing the links on their MySpace pages.

MySpace is now undergoing another reinvention. It’s been sold off a few times, each time for a lesser price than its last sale. It’s current owners are really pushing hard for MySpace to once again be a destination for music fans, and looking to focus just on giving bands an outlet to reach new fans.

A huge looming issue is the potential removal of inactive pages on MySpace. Users can currently choose to log into either the old interface (which is incredibly bloated and slow), or the new interface. There are concerns from a number of places about what will happen when MySpace finally converts to the new interface on a full time basis – reports are already surfacing that users converting their profiles to the new MySpace are losing their old content, and some theorize that users may need to create an entirely new profile on the new system, losing their old profile entirely.

So, why is this an issue?

What if once MySpace completes it’s conversion to the “new” MySpace, it deletes old profiles or content? Maybe it’s done to pages that haven’t had a login in X amount of time, maybe it’s done when they send out a mass message telling users they have a certain timeframe to convert their own profiles over or risk losing them. Maybe MySpace will force everyone to create a brand new profile, and re-upload everything they had on their old profile.

With any of the above scenarios, there exists a pretty big risk that literally hundreds of wizard rock bands could lose their profiles, and would pull thousands of wizard rock songs offline, never to be heard again. Newer wrock fans would be robbed of the experience of hearing so many great diverse bands.

Is this going to happen? It would be a shame for wizard rock fans to suddenly lose access to countless great songs, and for bands that may be defunct to disappear as if they never existed. Some of those bands may not check their “band” email anymore, or even have access to it, or perhaps they long ago forgot their MySpace account credentials and have no plans to ever try and get them back. So if MySpace decides to remove old content for any reason, it’s very possible that all that wizard rock could disappear.

How does this affect us?

Are we, as a whole, responsible for preserving the history of wizard rock?

The idea of curating some sort of wizard rock archive has been around in various forms for a while, but now the importance of it may be a lot higher than it once was. In an ideal world, wizard rock fans would have access to an archive of mp3s from bands that are retired, defunct, etc. and don’t have their music available for sale (via CD, digital stores, etc.). This way, if MySpace does decide to remove old content, the songs are saved and wizard rock fans will still have access to them. Also, it’s a heck of a lot easier to have local files vs. having to stream them from a computer or phone.

Now, while the idea is a great one, the logistics behind it are a lot more complicated. For instance, how does the archive get copies of all of those songs? Ideally it would be from the bands themselves, as the sound quality would be the highest. But that brings another issue into play – if bands haven’t logged into their MySpace in years, and have no other contact information, how can they be reached to ask them about contributing?

Another option would be to rip the streams of the songs from MySpace in order to create an mp3. That option opens up a whole can of worms as far as morals are concerned. Would it be considered “stealing” the songs, if the band didn’t intend for them to be downloaded and never gave their permission for people to create local copies of the songs, even if they were never offered for sale or download? Along those lines, what if someone adds music to the archive that’s still for sale someplace? It’s again not fair for the band to lose money if they’re selling their albums and someone starts giving them away for free.

Storage is also part of the equation. Could one massive archive on someplace like archive.org be set up? The amount of space needed to store all these mp3s would be costly on a paid platform, and if for any reason THAT platform went away, then we’re right back to square one (if not worse).

We wanted to open this discussion up to everyone – both bands and fans of wizard rock. Do you think MySpace could potentially remove hundreds of old defunct wizard rock profiles, and the songs they contain? Should we investigate a way to create an archive of songs from bands that are retired? If so, how would you prefer it be accomplished? Again, there exists the real possibility that bands could not be contacted for either original files or permission to rip a stream of their songs, and that could cut down drastically in the number of songs in the archive. Long time fans may have copies of those songs, but would putting them in an archive without the band’s permission be poor form?

Please leave your thoughts and comments below, we’re very eager to hear your thoughts on this issue, and any potential steps we could take to preserve hundreds (if not thousands) of wizard rock songs for everyone if MySpace does indeed decide to remove old wizard rock band profiles.

24 responses to “On MySpace, and the Preservation of Wizard Rock”

  1. Tianna Avatar

    Hmmm… Well it’ll definitely take a little bit longer to get together all my thoughts on this, but right now, I don’t think people use MySpace at all for like… anything. Including wizard rock. I think it’s just facebook and hearing it from friends and bandcamp and youtube and touring. But who knows, there could be some new people finding the old MySpaces. But they wouldn’t really be hearing a lot of new stuff or updates about the bands from there, so… hm.

    I think an archive is a wonderful idea. I’m not sure I like the idea of recording others’ songs and uploading them (I think the quality would be kinda crappy anyway), but I think it would be fine if long time fans could submit the music they’ve purchased. I think that makes sense especially for the bands who it’s super difficult to contact. I know there are a lot of those, sadly. 🙁 Thanks for the post <3

  2. VoldeMargo Avatar
    VoldeMargo

    What if you had a separate list (or an extension to the bands list) with links only to streamable/downloadable/buyable content? Maybe some wrockers would like to put up video EPs (Alan Lastufka’s is a good example) on a communal youtube channel where each band got a playlist? The links in the skiddlyboo would be individual, but the music would be accessible in one place.
    The MySpace changes really are hideous. I think all we can do is hope that bands have their original audio files somewhere, still have some wrock contacts, and are willing to share.

  3. Russ Avatar

    I’m on my phone, so I’ll chime in more later – totally agree on no one using MySpace anymore for new stuff, the concern is the loss of all the OLD stuff that a lot of fans still love, and can only hear by going to MySpace. Lots of bands may only have released a few songs, but to some wrock fans, those may be their absolute fave wizard rock songs of all time. And if MySpace pulls them offline, and they were never released anywhere else…

  4. ladysugarquill Avatar

    Honestly, I think we should rip the songs first, and ask later.

    I think the risk of everything disappearing is big. All those songs should be stored somewhere. In any case, if the band doesn’t give permission for it to be put on an archive, at least it will be on someone’s hard drive, and not completely lost, if it’s deleted from myspace.

    Wouldn’t Bandcamp be a good option? It allows free downloads, and setting up a profile is really easy.

  5. Russ Avatar

    Bandcamp unfortunately would not be an option, as it limits accounts to 200 free downloads per month, and you need to have .wav files to upload. If we’re ripping, they’re most likely being ripped as medium to low quality mp3, then we’d need to covert all those to .wav, then Bandcamp would convert back to mp3, and so on…

    Another idea that popped into my head was possibly setting up a torrent of an archive, which fans could get via peer to peer. This could alleviate the issue about space, the archive could be added to over time, etc. Just another option to toss out there…

  6. Potter Journal Jackie Avatar
    Potter Journal Jackie

    I love the idea of an archive!

    Some musicians I know use SoundCloud instead of Bandcamp, and they do have an unlimited upload plan (plus they allow mp3 & other formats), unfortunately it’s a paid plan…
    Torrents are fine by me, but I’m not sure how user-friendly that would be for some fans.

  7. Anna / The Swedish Shortsnouts Avatar
    Anna / The Swedish Shortsnouts

    Woah, this is a tricky one.

    The idea in itself is brilliant. While the ‘Pedia, now that it’s come back in all it’s awesomeness, is a great source for Wrock news, an archive would be a much needed platform for the music. Actually taking music without asking seems kind of risky, though, since it technicslly isn’t legal. The alternative, to ask permission and so forth, is time consuming and in some cases impossible since there are inactive bands. Still, I prefer that to just taking the music because this sounds like a massively time-consuming endavour either way.

    I guess the actual solution will end up on some platform like soundcloud, but in ideal world, wouldn’t it be cool to have an independent site called something like Wrockfinder? The master archive of past, present and future Wizard Rock. Bands upload the music themselves. Search by genre, by artist, by topic. Stream or download. Something that can be built and structured to be exactly what we need it to be, where people in fandom have control over all the files in case something should happen to the website.

    Yeah, time-consuming. 🙂 Still, love the idea of an archive! This clearly needs to happen!

  8. wb Avatar
    wb

    You raise some good questions.
    However, I believe the underlying issues you raise still exist
    — albeit perhaps not as urgently so to speak —
    even if MySpace were to reprovide original quality downloads.
    For instance, you mention putting it all elsewhere
    could run into the same problem eventually.
    I also think the whole copyright issue in the wrock community
    is a can of worms… at best, which makes the whole legality
    issues just messier.
    You also mention about defunct bands, however,
    lots of what you say is also true about existing active bands.
    And there are many bands with no MySpace footprints. Etc.
    Therefore, there is a number of catch-22s across the board
    that only magic can solve 🙂

    So I wonder if this requires looking at it all at even a higher level.
    Let’s take say Harry and the Potters. They do exist,
    and might even agree to any requests, but in the end
    the right thing to do would seem to be to ask them.
    So certainly it seems to make sense to [need to] ask each.
    That would probably yield a number of categories: those who say no,
    those who say yes, those who don’t repond, etc. and from there actions
    taken thereof but each different actions. Even if every band was still
    active and contactable and responds, it’s all a tall order.
    As with any “insurmountable” problem, dividing it into subparts
    is often the only realistic and practical way to proceed.

    Also, I could be wrong, but did not WrockBox run into similar
    situations (but for a different reason)? Would be interesting
    to hear what problems they ran into listing songs and such.

    BTW, FWIW, if there’s say 1000 wrock songs total, at say a 10Mb each
    that would come to about 10Gb for the storage requirements of
    a central repository. That’s probably generous though and
    might really only be 1/2 that amount.

  9. Camie Avatar

    This is a very interesting topic.

    Just for some input – Currently in my wizard rock playlist there is over 1500 songs. I have no wheres near anything close to having a complete collection of the wizard rock that was out there, but I believe that 3+ days of music is considerable.

    I actually did my final project for my Cultural Anthropology course in college on Wizard Rock and its possible preservation in the digital age. I wish I still had everything I submitted for that assignment, but alas, it was all lost on my old computer that unfortunately has seen its last days.

    ***IMHO**** after this warning.

    Looking at wizard rock as a culture helps a bit with the judgement calls in whether or not to include defunct bands or bands that do not reply to the archiving of their music. You archive the songs, in the hope of preservation.

    While that may not help with some people’s moral views of file sharing and blah blah blah.. its just a different outlook. I don’t want to take $$$ out of anyone’s pockets, but I also believe in preservation of wizard rock and preservation of culture.

  10. JamesFromTSBCOSS Avatar

    I agree with lagysugarquill. Sad as it is, I think we have no choice but to get the music from MySpace using any way possible. Personally, I’ve already started using my cheap microphone to copy some songs from MySpace, and while it could be considered immoral, when the music was never for sale in the first place, and it’s on a public service, I have no problem doing it, though, as Russ said, the music is in semi-low quality.

  11. Brad Ausrotas Avatar

    I have near to 3000 wizard rock tracks, including some duplicates, doubtlessly, and live stuff. And it’s nowhere near complete, either.

  12. Scott Humdinger Avatar

    We live in an age where EVERYTHING gets recorded and preserved and posted online somewhere. In addition to wrock I also play in the SCA which has a very strong folk music “bardic” tradition. Many of those songs have never been recorded, even if they’re great. The bardic circle is very much about the community and f2f sharing of music. While I hate to see great songs drift away and only get preserved in private collections, I feel it’s more important to celebrate what we have.

    I’m not sure what I really meant by all that. I guess it means DON’T PANIC. it’s okay if some old songs go away.

  13. wb Avatar
    wb

    The cultural significance of say The Beatles cannot be negated including reciprocally the significance of The Beatles upon the culture, but I can’t accept that if The Beatles were asked if “the public” could archive their music and they either did not answer or said no, that it should be done anyway especially non-privately.

    Also, we talk about defunct bands but it’s unclear exactly how to characterize them as so. For instance Remus Lupins is “retired” but Alex still has those songs listed on iTunes, has even played them since “retirement” and so on. Ditto for DaTM, etc.

    That all said, I seem to recall at least some wrock songs being released through creative commons, into the public domain, etc. Also, I think wrock started out under a weird legal situation re Warner Bros originally come down on HaTP despite the parody situation (line probably got crossed at some point, but on other points not) and semi-forced the direction it took, although it probably would have taken that same directly anyway given the small indie culture, etc.

    Anyway, I tend to agree with Scott. Private collections aside, do the best general repository that can be done with the agreed upon stuff, and I think that will be good, actually very good, especially considering the job would still be a large one.

  14. Camie Avatar

    I would be very surprised if someone who was still actively selling and or playing their music (Such as Alex – The Remus Lupins, or Brian and Brad – Draco and the Malfoys) would respond in the positive to someone archiving their music for free download, and that wasn’t what I was trying to imply. Stuff still available on iTunes, is still available on iTunes. The archive could post to a link to that iTunes page. Same with BandCamp and SoundCloud and all of those other options to legally purchase music. I said originally that I never would want to take money out of an artist’s pocket, and meant that.

    I get that it is a touchy situation… my morals on the subject may/do not equal anyone else’s morals on the subject. I personally believe that if it can be preserved, it should be preserved for others to experience.

  15. Russ Avatar

    As I mentioned in the article, absolutely no music that’s still available for sale would be in the archive. If this were to ever happen, and that’s a big *IF*, it would only consist of music that could not be purchased in any way, shape, or form.

    Having a link to download the music from each individual band would be a good idea, perhaps sending the fan to a .zip archive hosted on a free service. This way, if it’s for sale, it goes to BandCamp or iTunes, so the band still makes some sales.

    I want to thank everyone for chiming in, and I do hope that fans and bands continue this discussion so we can try and come up with some sort of plan, if everyone thinks that’s the best way to go.

    Thanks again!!!

  16. DarkLordofDance Avatar
    DarkLordofDance

    I think that the best approach to this archive would be an opt-out. Contact all the wrockers, let them know what’s up, and tell them that if they want to they can opt out of having their stuff included. I figure the retired wrockers who have five songs up on their myspace from 2007 wouldn’t get up in arms about this, but people like the Lupins and Malfoys can opt-out no problem.

    There definitely needs to be some sort of archive. Where possible, link to iTunes/bandcamp/youtube/whatever, but the songs that aren’t anywhere else need to be preserved.

  17. WrockSnob Avatar

    I’ve been thinking about this for a long time, and I am personally of the opinion that someone should start ripping the music soon, so at least someone has a complete-ish archive while we figure out specifics. I feel an archive is something that will be necessary for wizard rock at some point.

    As for the legality of things, I was thinking a decent compromise is to put all music up streaming. Bands that we can get confirmation/permission from would have links to download the music to your computer, bands we can’t would still sit there for streaming so people can still experience the music if not own it, and bands still selling music would instead just have a link to iTunes, or where possible, the streaming would be from BandCamp directly.

    Also, as for the MySpace thing – you would be surprised how often people still discover wizard rock through MySpace – a big part of that is this very site, which still links to a MySpace page for the majority of wizard rock bands. I would still use MySpace because I know there’s still plenty of great wrock out there I haven’t discovered, and I try to occasionally, but the new layout design makes it prohibitively awful to listen to music. It is truly a thing of almost beauty in how terrible it is.

    And again, it’s that terribleness of MySpace that I feel impedes the process the most – hell, *I* would have just started ripping the whole damn thing myself, except it’s just so difficult to use the insanely awful UI.

    Lastly, in terms of where to actually host it all, trying Archive.org is a great idea, but if they can’t/won’t, I don’t think we should outright dismiss self-funding it. How many albums, musicals, and tours has this community kickstarted in the past couple years? How many careers did we support for years at a time? I feel that we could totally kickstart enough money to set-up and run such a site for at least a few years, and could probably survive on donations and the like, maybe the occasional comp to raise funds for the continued preservation of wrock?

  18. dracuella Avatar
    dracuella

    I just wanted to throw my two cents in as I am one of the ones who only recently discovered wrock and has tremendous difficulties getting what I want.
    I live in Denmark and as such cannot purchase MP3s from amazon (co.uk, ca, com etc) so I’m forced to my Danish iTunes. While this is fine, they don’t have a lot of wrock.
    As an example, I was listening to Oliver Boyd and the Remembralls some time back (December, I think) and decided that was awesome and I wanted it, just not at the moment. Cue present time and me going to Myspace but sadly a lot of it was gone, there was hardly anything there. I went to iTunes but they didn’t have the complete albums, only EPs. After hours of searching I found some om soundclick.com but these were at horrible bitrates (128) which is terrible with in-ear headphones.
    As we speak, I’ve spent almost all of today searching for a way of buying the OBatR collection but have yet to succeed. And this is just one wrock band.

  19. Scych Avatar

    Supporting our group Scych will help to continue the genre of Wizard rock. Not only do I have lots of ideas from the HP books but plans to extend the lore and come up with new adventures. Since my group is collaborative, I often work with HP Fan Fic writers and independent artists who contribute to the videos and stage shows. This creates a more immersive experience and allows people to delve deeper in the the Harry Potter world as well as enjoy the music.

    Michael

  20. Marauder Avatar
    Marauder

    If someone does want to come up with a big archive of wrock songs, please contact me – I’m on Twitter @MarauderTheSN. I have exactly 5,103 wrock songs saved on my computer, including a lot that were never for sale and a lot from bands that no longer exist online. I had an uneasy feeling years ago that something like this could happen and I’d love to help the music stay alive.

  21. Generic Fighter Avatar

    Same as Marauder here. Been very, very OCD about loosing stuff for years and have archived several thousand Songs on my MediaFire Folder and in several Back-Up Drives too boot! I’ll Linky-Link it below…

    LINK REMOVED BY EDITOR

    Delete the spaces and make those DOTs into .s! Enjoy my Collection:) Long Live Wrock!

    GF

  22. Russ Avatar

    Hey GF – We definitely appreciate you wanting to help wrock fans out. I downloaded a few of the archives in your link, and unfortunately they all contained songs that are still commercially available to fans via iTunes, Bandcamp, Amazon, etc. While we want to help preserve wrock, especially now with so little being released, the last thing we want to do is take hard earned money away from the musicians who put the time and effort into making these songs. If their choice to to sell their music, and not offer it freely, we 100% will back them up on that and do our best to make sure it’s not being given away without their expressed approval.

    Thank you for your understanding.

  23. Generic Fighter Avatar

    Understood. Thought that there were some that I had there that were of old MySpace era stuff that isn’t easily available anymore. And of course, I agree, buy from the artist if at all possible, especially if you enjoy them!

    GF

  24. Russ Avatar

    I completely understand your wanting to share, and I agree that there’s a lot of wrock that’s disappeared with all the changes at MySpace. Perhaps there’s a way to help remove the commerically available content and still share all the wrock that fans can’t purchase anywhere else.

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